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Monday, October 29, 2007

Bull Story

Source: BS - by Mudar Patherya

It’s a bull market if you’ve woken up this morning with the feeling: “Thank god, it is Monday!”

  • It’s a bull market if the analyst takes a deep breath, runs his mind quickly across 1985, 1992, 2000 and says, “But it is different this time.”
  • It’s a bull market if the MD is talking to you but looking at the CNBC ticker.
  • It’s a bull market if your son asks you for the meaning of ‘support’ and you confuse him with trend lines and candlesticks.
  • It’s a bull market if your sense of time evolves from ‘I knew her from the time she was this small’ to ‘It was in those days when Webel-SL was only Rs 5…’
  • It’s a bull market when your broker says, “Lai liyo baapa, share jowa nahin maley!”
  • It’s a bull market if you discover a sudden respect for the middle-level accountant of a publicly listed company and suffix his name with a ‘ji’.
  • It’s a bull market if every analyst advises caution but adds, “However, in the long term we are bullish.”
  • It’s a bull market if you’re suddenly discovered on the social circuit because you happen to be the husband of the wife who is a niece of the person who was a friend of Rakesh Jhunjhunwala’s father 30 years ago.
  • It’s a bull market if people call you up to discuss the weather, the pollution, the nation, the Marxists and inevitably end up with, “Kuch khareedne laayak?”
  • It’s a bull market if everyone is convinced that the country has a great future but will still call you as soon as the market melts three per cent and ask, “Badhoo baraabar, ney?”
  • It’s a bull market if a Rs 10 crore profit becomes a Rs 15 crore profit quarter-on-quarter and you sneer dismissively, “Kuch ho nahin raha hai!”
  • It’s a bull market if you disinvest big time but prefer to leave the surplus with the broker saying, “Aaakhir aapko hi toh mujhe dena hai.”
  • It’s a bull market if you apply the ROI (return on investment) concept to everything your wife says you need at home and grumble: “Yaad hai, if we had not bought the microwave oven but bought Saboo Sodium stock, today you would have been a queen riding an Alto…”
  • It’s a bull market if you see 25-year-olds trade derivatives arrogantly and come away feeling that you need to read Victor Frankl’s Man’s Search for Meaning all over again.
  • It’s a bull market if you encounter a new species of professional who only works five days a week from 9.55 to 3.30 and responds to everything with ‘Jalsaa chhey!’
  • It’s a bull market when housewives discover an undiscovered part of their personalities in the 90 minutes between putting the tadka on the daalm and picking pappu up from school by calling the broker and asking “Tewariji, aaj kya naya hai?”
  • It’s a bull market when the Opinion Democratisation Index peaks, usually manifested in 23-year-olds dismissing companies with a 10 per cent increase in earnings as ‘dumbs’.
  • It’s a bull market when you ask why Prism Cement will go to Rs 81 and the answer is ‘Kyonki website pey likha hain’.
  • It’s a bull market if Enam puts out a research report indicating that the stock could double in a year and you say ‘Bus?’
  • It’s a bull market when the management is explaining its restructuring, business model and sustainability agenda and the analyst simply wants to know ‘Lekin EPS kya aayega?’
  • It’s a bull market if the wife starts getting suspicious about an sms every two minutes on your cell phone, sneaks a look when you go to the loo, only to find ‘Buy Nifty futures’.
  • It’s a bull market when you get a call from someone who you thought was a proud father of an MBA graduate but insists, “Aap mere bete ko aap ke under mein le leejiye, aadmi ban jaayega!”
  • It’s a bull market when people don’t have more than Rs 223 in their pocket but discuss stake sales and numbers ending six zeroes.
  • It’s a bull market when you find it difficult to go on a vacation because somewhere deep inside you nurse the feeling that an unattended market might do something stupid behind your back.
  • It’s a bull market when Nandigram seems a ‘jhanjhat’ and Myanmar monks irrelevant.
  • It’s a bull market when a company with a turnover of Rs 1300 crore announces an expansion of Rs 16,000 crore, issues a statement, cuts ribbons and is photographed alongside the CM and all the hard work being put in by some outstanding business leaders suddenly looks like poultry raw material.
  • It’s a bull market when you read the front page of the pink papers and realise how small you are.
  • It’s a bull market if your daughter mentions ‘Let us take a break’ and your first recall is interrupted hours of trading due to the sun outage.
  • It’s a bull market when you get irritable on Saturday and Sunday.
  • It’s a bull market when you read a column like this and say, “What? No tip?” and hiss that your time was bloody wasted.

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Friday, October 26, 2007

Chinese Companies are Bigger Than...

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Unpublished Letters by Warren Buffett to Shareholders of Berkshire Hathaway

I have got hold of two Unpublished Letters by Warren Buffett to Shareholders of Berkshire Hathaway.

Letters are for the Years 1973 & 1976

Click here to download the letters.

Courtesy: Ashish Pandey - Thanks for letting me post the letters!

Please note that the letters are scanned & in pdf format.

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Tuesday, October 23, 2007

Stock markets: A case of tail wagging the dog

The market is trying to move the economy rather than vice-versa

There is euphoria and a sort of enthusiasm bordering on madness in the stock market. The traditional view is that the stock markets are the barometers of the economy. It is expected that the markets and its indicators in the form of indices are to reflect the future potential of the corporates listed on them and in the process about the future of the economy. If the economy is performing well and is expected to grow at a healthy rate, the markets are expected to reflect that.

Not any more. Globalisation has changed all that. The day trader in Guntur or Kamrup has to worry about subprime foreclosures and yen carry trades. He has to read the lips of the chief of European Central Bank and understand the nuances of the speech given by US treasury chairman. The world has become surreal.

Unfortunately, this globalisation seems to be a one-way street. We are integrated with the global market and influenced by the developments taking place in Alaska or Adelaide, but our markets do not have any influence on the global markets. We do not see news regarding Dow Jones affected by Mumbai meltdown or FTSE impacted by Delhi tantrums.

Hence, this mating dance between our markets and others is extremely dangerous, particularly for the financial illiterates who are large participants in day trading.

In our markets, even though the listed stocks are above 8,000, we find that only around 250 or so are actively traded. Of these, the top 10 securities constitute nearly one-third of the traded value, indicating the level of skewness. In many matured markets, normally no single security has more than one percent of the traded value.

This skewness makes the market illiquid since everybody wants these 10-or-so scrips and when people exit, they also exit from these ten. Our markets are very skewed and shallow and to that extent, the role of the foreign institutional investors becomes important. Though in aggregate terms they constitute a small portion of the market, they play an important role at the margin level.

Institutional investors, particularly FIIs, are in search of better returns on a 24*7*365 basis. The fund manager is paid based on upon his performance and his job is to move funds on a continuous basis. Global funds have to think of geographical allocation and then asset allocation between risky shares and riskless government securities and the portfolio allocation among different shares. The fund manager is accountable only through his profits and he is not emotional about a developing country or a developed country or between European and Asian markets. If parking funds in Antarctica can make gains, he will do so with as much vigour as he would in Wall Street or Dalal Street.

It is known that a substantial portion of our market participants are day traders who square off the transactions daily. They can also be called margin players. Individual investors only do this since institutions cannot square off within a day in our system and they should settle transactions on a gross basis in the t+2 format. Actually, we do not know about the aggregate margins provided by individuals to brokers and the financing of these transactions, since currently the relationship is between the exchanges and brokers and exchanges pull the plug -literally - if brokers have not paid the margins or crossed their limits. Substantial portion of these transactions, between the individuals and the brokers are financed by the non-bank financial sector including individual moneylenders.

The markets cannot be talked up or down, as it is popularly believed. If the government tries to artificially push the market by encouraging its financial institutions to buy in the market, then it will be a folly of the highest order since public institutions like banks and LIC will be saddled with papers not worth talking about. Neither the enthusiasm of “experts” regarding the “robustness of our economy reflected in the increasing index” nor the complaint that “the fall in index is manufactured” is justified.

Coupled with this is the enthusiasm of Indian corporates to global money. In the last two years, the appetite of large Indian corporates for external commercial borrowings has been very large. ECBs had shown an additional flow of more than $13 billion last year and interestingly, the top 10 companies, including Reliance Petroleum ($2 billion), Reliance Communications ($1 billion), Tata Steel ($0.8 billion), Reliance Industries ($0.8 billion) and Reliance Energy ($0.8 billion), constitute more than 30% of the ECB approvals/registrations in the later period. This shows that corporates are increasingly looking at external sources due to lower cost and to that extent, developments in the global markets affect their ratings. Also, the major global borrowers have substantial importance in our indices.

We have arrived at an interesting situation in the development of our capital markets, wherein they are significantly influenced by global developments because of the active participation of FIIs — at the same time, big Indian corporates are showing appetite for global borrowings and not for domestic debt due to interest rate arbitrage.

In such a situation, we will find that the stock markets in India are increasingly disconnected from our domestic economy, which is expected to grow at more than 9% in the years to come. Already, there exists a disconnect between the government and the society, and now, this new disconnect between the economy and stock markets. Domestic economy is not moving the market but the tail (markets) is attempting to wag the dog.

As far as the stock exchange index is concerned, it can also move up if the Swiss banker decides to adopt more rigorous procedure in continuing existing accounts under the new ‘know your customer’ rules, further proving the disconnect with domestic economic activities.

vaidya@iimb.ernet.in

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Thursday, October 18, 2007

Markets are deep-rooted: Rakesh Jhunjhunwala

Source: Rediff

The bulls of the stock market, including Rakesh Jhunjhunwala, are putting on a brave face, despite a sharp plunge of over 1,000 points in the benchmark Sensex amid turbulent conditions over the past two days.

Commenting on the volatile market conditions and dramatic fall of the Sensex, Jhunjhunwala said: "Nothing has changed" as the Indian market was "deep-rooted."

The country is poised to soon achieve a double-digit economic growth along with an impressive corporate profit growth, which would further drive the bourses, the stock whizkid said.

"I don't have any rocket science but my bullishness stems from my feeling that India's economic growth will be in double digits," he remarked.

"Corporate profits are likely to be up by 18-20 per cent on an average while the present GDP growth of nearly nine per cent will increase to double digits," Jhunjhunwala said. Although the Indian market had a slow growth, it was deep-rooted, he said.

Some other market players said that the sharp plunge in afternoon trade today was mostly due to profit booking at higher levels and the 717-point plunge has now given new entry levels that would be tapped well by investors.

However, this bravado is not being shared by all, especially in the backdrop of the recent proposals to curb investment made through instruments like participatory notes by the hedge funds.

"The proposed measures can have a very significant negative impact near-term on foreign inflows into Indian equities," Citigroup Global Market analyst Ratnesh Kumar said in a new report.

The report by Citigroup's brokerage division said that foreign inflows into India would be negatively impacted in the next 3-6 months if Sebi's proposals on curbing Participatory Notes (PNs) are implemented in the current form.

"There has been a significant rise in the share of P notes in overall FII flows into Indian equities," Kumar said in the report.

P-Notes are mostly unsed by hedge funds, a fast-growing asset class globally in recent years and lack of any new issuance of Offshore Derivative Instruments (ODIs) with underlying derivatives would take away hedging options for exposures in the cash market. This could be a deterrent for new hedge fund inflows, Citigroup said.

Finance Minister P Chidambaram on Wednesday said that the proposals with or without some modifications would be made a regulation.

Local analysts also predicted that trading in the next few days was likely to see selling pressure and market oscillating violently both on speculation about the fate of PNs, an instrument through which hedge funds have significant presence in virtually all the blue-chip companies.

"Today's fall was due to heavy selling by foreign funds. The fall is mainly due to reshuffling, covering of liquid positions and investors taking a long-term call on the market, Premium Investments' S P Tulsian said.

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50,000 Sensex in 6 to 7 years: Rakesh Jhunjhunwala

Source: DNA Money

Rakesh Jhunjhunwala is one of the market’s Big Boys with a portfolio rumoured to be Rs5,000 crore.On the day the stock market crashed, he told DNA Money most Indians don’t recognise the India story, and tried to explain why he remains extremely bullish. On the participatory notes issue There was a day when we had to pledge our gold (to borrow foreign exchange, in 1990). Now we have to restrict foreign capital. Life has come a full circle. Where will Sensex go next? 50,000 in 6-7 years if the current profit growth is sustained.

And GDP growth? India will grow at 10% before 2010?

I have a dinner table bet with TN Ninan, the editor of Business Standard, on this.

What about corporate profitability? Stock valuations are slaves of earnings.

Economic history tells us that earnings grow at 1.25-1.75 times GDP growth. Hence, I see the growth in corporate profitability over the next few years at 17-20%.

Which sectors are hot?

India-centric sectors such as telecom, banking and infrastructure will continue to remain hot. Stay away from IT because the current 30% margins cannot be maintained. Only monopolies can do that.What about real estate? I don't invest in real estate. Real estate prices in fringes of cities will fall because the current prices are unsustainable.

What about household money?

In 1992, 17% of domestic savings went into the stock markets. In 2004, it fell to 1%. And I feel 15% of domestic savings will go into the stock market by 2011. So $45-50 billion of local money is what we are talking about.

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Wednesday, October 17, 2007

Interview with Jason Zweig

Source: DNA Money

Neuroeconomics is a new science that is taking the investing world by storm, though, until recently, it was confined to the academic circles. Now, through his book, ‘Your Money and Your Brain - How the New Science of Neuroeconomics’ Can Make you Rich, Jason Zweig has tried to take neuroeconomics to the layman. The subject, as Zweig defines it, is “a hybrid of neuroscience, economics and psychology,” which helps us understand “what drives investing behaviour not only on the theoretical or practical level, but as a basic biological function.”

Zweig is a senior writer for the Money magazine and has been a guest columnist for Time and cnn.com. He is also the editor of the revised edition of Benjamin Graham’s ‘The Intelligent Investor’. In an interview to Vivek Kaul, Zweig speaks on Neuroeconomics and his philosophy of investing.

You seem to suggest in your book that investors should not fall for the story behind the stock. What else does one look at, then?

The key is to understand a crucial distinction, first drawn by the great investor Benjamin Graham, who was Warren Buffett’s teacher. Stocks and businesses are not the same thing. Stocks flit around all the time; you can watch them moving up and down on your computer screen all day long. In New York, it’s not unusual for the price of a stock to change at least 10,000 times in a single day of dealing, and I imagine it’s not very different in Mumbai. Stock prices are in constant flux, but business values are not. The underlying value of an ongoing enterprise does not change every day. Something like 99% of all the trading activity in the typical stock is meaningless. The future value of a business has nothing to do with the current price of its stock. What you should do is learn to look past the noisy twitching of stock prices to the enduring value of businesses as living organisms.

Is the business run by honest people who treat outside investors fairly? Does it make products or provide services for which customers are willing to pay higher prices if necessary? Can you understand its financial statements?

These constitute the reality of the business and determine its future value. The “story” behind the stock is almost certainly nothing more than the stampede of thousands of speculators in and out of the shares. Train yourself to ignore them.

“The best financial decisions draw on the dual strengths of your investing brain: intuition and analysis, feeling and thinking,” you write. Isn’t there a dichotomy there?

Yes, there is. But let’s get our terminology straight, and again we can do so by going back to Benjamin Graham. Graham’s formal definition has never been improved upon: “An investment operation is one which, upon thorough analysis, promises safety of principal and an adequate return.” Notice carefully that this is neither an “or” nor an “and/ or” definition; all three components - analysis, safety, and an adequate result - must be present. If any of them is missing, you are not investing. You are speculating. In India, as in the United States, most people who call themselves “investors” are not investors at all. They are speculators. In the short run, particularly while the Indian capital markets are rapidly developing, speculators may be able to earn high returns by rapidly trading stocks without doing thorough analysis. But in the long run, you cannot earn sustainably high returns from mere “gut feelings.” I find it striking that in a society with cultural traditions of great patience and acute analytical ability, so many people trade as if their knickers were afire, scoffing at the long term and analysing nothing but the craziness of the crowd. There is no doubt in my mind that Indians have the potential to lead the world in investment skill. But, so far as I can tell from my faraway vantage point, what most Indians do is not investing. In my own portfolio, I do not invest with the next year in mind, nor even with the next decade in mind. I invest with the next century in mind; that is when my heirs will benefit from my decisions. I do not care what stock prices do this afternoon, or this week, or this month, or this year. I care whether business values are rising. That is what it means to be an investor. You have written about the link between dopamine and the way investors invest.

What’s the link?

Dopamine makes us pursue whatever we think will be rewarding. When we earn more than we expected, that generates a “positive prediction error” - a flood of dopamine that signals to our bodies that something good has happened. After only a few repetitions, the dopamine is released in our brains, not when we earn the actual gain, but when we believe we know that the gain is coming. It is not the reward but the prediction of it that generates pleasure in the brain. I call this the “prediction addiction.” You become addicted to your own belief that you are about to make money. Like any addict, when the reward does not come, you will go into a painful withdrawal.

Why do investors get greedy? Even Isaac Newton lost most of his money in the South Sea Bubble. What does Neuroeconomics have to say on that?

Greed is generated in the same regions of the brain that produce pleasure when we find food or shelter or love. These basic reward circuits are among the oldest systems in the human brain. Geniuses have them, too. Brilliant people are better at generating great ideas than the rest of us, but they are no better at controlling their own emotions than you or I. We get greedy because the anticipation of profits activates the dopamine system in the brain, flooding our neurons with a signal of excitement. Newton was not just one of the smartest men of all time, but was also very well-informed financially; he was the master of the Royal Mint. So he certainly knew better in the “thinking” part of his brain. But his “feeling” brain was swept away with greed. If you do not put policies and procedures in place, in advance, to control your emotions, you will never be able to resist the siren song of the markets when the markets go mad. Common sense and good judgment are vastly more valuable than intelligence.

What makes investors book profits fast, but hold on to their losses?

We do not merely buy stocks and sell them. What we really are buying is pride and prowess, and what we really are selling is pain and shame. Once a stock earns a large gain, you want to lock in the reason for your pride and the proof of your prowess; if you hang on too long, the profit may disappear. But, once a stock produces a big loss, you want to hide the source of your pain and shame. If you sell at the bottom, you will have to admit your error, and that admission will only compound your shame. Whenever humans are ashamed of anything, we cover it up. So we cover our financial losses by pretending they are not there.

So, what is the best way to invest?

My fondest wish for Indian investors is that index-tracking funds will become widely available at very low management fees and dealing costs. If I were an Indian financial entrepreneur, I would study US firms like Vanguard, Barclays Global Investors and Dimensional Fund Advisors to learn how they run their tracking funds so efficiently and fairly. And if I were a young Indian investor, I would embrace low-cost tracking funds and put most of my money there for the very long run. The combination of diversification, simplicity, convenience, and low cost provides an insuperable advantage to the tracking investor. The life of a rising professional is busy enough without having to spend precious time and emotion following every momentary rise and fall of every stock you own. If your money cannot buy you peace of mind, why invest at all?

Does luck have a role in investing?

Luck has a great deal to do with it. Whenever a stock trades, the buyer thinks the seller is making a mistake. The seller thinks the buyer is mistaken. Only one of them can be right. After they both pay their dealing costs and any taxes on the transaction, neither may show any net profit for his pains. In the short run, almost anyone can be right a few times in a row, by luck alone - just as anyone can flip a coin right-side up several times in a row without any coin-flipping skill, whatsoever. Even in the long run, luck can rule the day. It can take years, even decades, to determine whether an investor has genuine and repeatable skill or is just lucky. The danger comes when you believe you are skillful and, in fact, you turn out to be merely lucky. Then you do things out of a belief that every step you take is the right one, and you end up slipping on a banana peel and falling down the stairs.

You talk about the “illusion of control.” Investors tend to be over-optimistic when they are directly involved and have had no negative experience from the over-optimism. How does this affect investing decisions?

It is easy to believe “I did it” when a stock you buy goes up. However, your actions did not cause the price to rise. Ask yourself this: If I had not bought the stock at all, would it not have risen without me? The way to escape the illusion of control is to invest with the aid of a checklist, a series of rules you must always follow before buying or selling any investment. This way, the rules make the decisions for you, and you take your pride out of the picture, enabling you to be more objective. In my book, I outline some rules that may be useful for many people.

Can financial future be foretold?

Some things can be. I am very confident predicting that the Indian stock market will lose a third of its value over the course of a few months. However, I have no idea, whatsoever, when this will happen. I am equally confident predicting that the Indian stock market will rise ten-fold and more over the long term. And I am more confident still in predicting that the true investors who have the courage to buy when the market crashes will make much more money in the long run than the fools who buy only when stocks go up.

Why are investors so addicted to CNBC? Their broadcast gives a feeling the “stock markets are in a crisis all the time.” Does that have an impact on the way investors invest?

Years ago, you could only find out a stock price in tomorrow’s (or sometimes, the next week’s) newspaper. Now you can find out the latest price every few minutes on CNBC or every few seconds online. This is the tragedy of technology - that the tool that should make us wiser, instead makes us act more foolishly than ever before. The human brain is a pattern-recognition machine. The more frequently you look at a series of data, the more often you will see “trends” and patterns that are not really there; they are nothing more than chaos clothed in a costume of regularity, illusions of order in streams of data that are utterly random. After two consecutive stimuli in the same direction, the human brain automatically, involuntarily, and uncontrollably expects a third. We extrapolate repetition out of what actually is randomness. CNBC is addictive because it continuously presents you with the opportunity to perceive what is not actually there: order, predictability, reliable patterns. It grips us the way all great fiction is gripping, with the added irony that very few of us realise that what we are watching is actually fiction.

Most of the investment experts do not really give any usable information. Is not listening to such experts better than taking them seriously?

I would listen very seriously to any financial expert who would provide a comprehensive record of every forecast he has ever made, both good and bad. Many forecasters will tell us about every single one of their successes. However, to the best of my knowledge, there is no financial forecaster alive who has ever provided a complete list of all his predictions, including the failures. There’s a reason for that: Anyone who really knew how to forecast the financial future would be most unlikely to let others in upon his secrets.

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Tuesday, October 09, 2007

Pitfalls primer for irrational investors

by Arne Alsin

Charlie Munger was asked a few years ago to explain how he achieved his amazing success in the stock market. He thought for a second, and then replied simply: “I’m rational.”

Implicit in Munger’s reply is that other investors are prone to bouts of irrationality. A rational investor, such as Munger, has an edge if other investors make decisions that are subjective, impulsive or emotion-based.

To understand better what it takes to be such an investor, here are three core concepts that every rational investor understands and embraces. If you invest your capital in contravention to any one of these concepts, you are not a rational investor.

The decision-making process focuses on a comparison of price and value

Before making an investment decision, the rational investor requires answers to two simple questions: “What’s it cost?” and “What’s it worth?”

The first question is easy to answer. The second question is difficult to answer, sometimes exceedingly difficult. Regardless, a rational investor will not allocate capital unless both questions can be answered with a reasonable level of confidence.

In other asset classes, the nexus for decision-making always revolves around a comparison of price and an appraisal of value. For example, a rational person is not going to sell a car valued at $20,000 for $10,000. This sort of irrationality does not happen with cars. But it happens every day in the stock market.

Many investors are, in effect, “blind investors” because they make buy and sell decisions without knowing value. You are a blind investor, for example, if you buy the stock of a company because you like its products, or because the company has impressive growth prospects.

These are reasons to become interested in a company. But they are not sufficient reasons to buy the stock. The stock might be overvalued by 50 per cent or more. Without an understanding of both price and value, an investor cannot make an informed, rational investment decision.

The purpose of the stock market is to facilitate liquidity

Many investors misunderstand the purpose of the stock market and this leads to irrational decision-making. Its purpose is to provide a venue for buyers to acquire ownership in publicly traded businesses and for owners (investors as well as companies trying to raise capital) to sell those interests.

The market is amazingly efficient in this regard. There is always a ready bid and there is always a ready offer. It just takes a second or two to acquire or sell a part-ownership interest in a publicly traded business.

But that is as far as it goes. The market tells you price. The market does not tell you value. To ask the market to facilitate the trading of business ownership and, in addition, to value those businesses accurately is asking too much.

When investors see one of their stocks drop by 20 per cent, they get upset because they think they have lost money. But all that has happened, in reality, is that the current offer for their asset has declined by 20 per cent. The value may have not declined at all. It is entirely possible that it has increased.

The owner of a private business does not get upset if he gets a lousy offer for his business. Even if the private business owner actively solicits offers, he does not expect to get a full value offer each and every day. The rational owner of a business, whether it is a private business or a publicly traded business, knows that full value offers occur infrequently.

Price and risk generally move in tandem

Most investors misunderstand risk as it applies to the stock market. Most do not understand that, generally, as price declines, risk declines. If the price quote for a stock worth $100 falls from $80 to $60, the risk of buying or owning that stock has declined in concert with the price.

When value exceeds price, risk declines when value subsequently increases and/or price decreases. And when value exceeds price, risk escalates when value subsequently decreases and/or price increases.

When irrational investors think about risk, they focus only on price. Price is everything to such investors. The fact that they are not carefully comparing price and value creates an analytical void. Emotions usually fill that void.

Higher prices create enthusiasm and an increased interest in buying. Falling prices cause worry, but there is a way for the irrational investor to alleviate the worry: sell everything!

Ironically, irrational investors tend to worry most when they should be worrying the least – when value exceeds price by a wide margin. And they tend to worry least when they should worry the most: when value exceeds price by a narrow margin, or, worse, when prices exceed value.

The writer is a portfolio manager for Alsin Capital and the Turnaround Fund. arne@alsincapital.com

Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2007

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Saturday, October 06, 2007

Dip in IT cos' margins inevitable: Rakesh Jhunjhunwala

Rakesh Jhunjhunwala, Investor and Trader feels that the US subprime crisis has been creating a pressure on IT companies' margins, adding that dip in margins for the IT industry is inevitable.

Rajeev Malik of JP Morgan Chase Bank feels that the overall economy slowdown is going to be less pronounced than what it is for the IT sector.

Both were speaking at a conclave on the 'Subprime Crisis in the US' and its impact on India organised by the CII, Bangalore.

Excerpts from questions asked by Rakesh Jhunjhunwala to Rajeev Malik at the CII Conclave:

Rakesh Jhunjhunwala: There is pressure on margins. If IBM today, in the service industry, is getting 10-11% margins, how long will the Indian Industry do business at 30%? So according to me, the dip in margins is inevitable.

Rajeev Malik: That’s true; but to what extent? You would also integrate that to how long can IT continue purely on employment dimension locally, as opposed to start looking at cheaper alternatives. Philippines is a place that’s increasingly coming into the press, purely in terms of diversification. Now one can say that’s a natural process, but you can’t disagree that it does have an employment impact locally.

Rakesh Jhunjhunwala: My concern is, as an investor, I may now invest in IT stocks but if there is a slowdown in America, what happens to the other sectors of the economy? CII has made a very good report of how vital this software industry is to the Indian economy.

Rajeev Malik: Precisely, which comes back to the point I was making, that there is a cyclical component to your argument. Overall economy slowdown is going to be less pronounced than what it is for the IT sector. This is simply because India is not that opened and IT sector’s exposure to the US is much greater than the exposure of the overall economy. Short answer to all of this is, yes, it is a negative sign.

Rakesh Jhunjhunwala: It would affect the economy?

Rajeev Malik: It would, most certainly. I think the best indication of that would be that in New York, a few days ago, Mr. Chidambaram actually talked about a downside risk on growth; but he was talking more from the rupee appreciation dynamics side. But again, it is coming back to the same issue.

Rakesh Jhunjhunwala: Why are you concerned? The Yen went down from 400 to 120 to the dollar, but they are still exporting…

Rajeev Malik: Yes, they are. But perhaps you are forgetting what that did to Japan!

Rakesh Jhunjhunwala: But that is a boom burst, we don’t have that kind of a boom here…

Rajeev Malik: We have a boom; it may not be that kind!

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Friday, October 05, 2007

US economy & housing crisis to worsen: Rakesh Jhunjhunwala

Rakesh Jhunjhunwala, Investor and Trader, feels that the impact of the subprime crisis will be far worse than expected.

He has said that the Fed rate cut is unlikely to solve the subprime crisis. He feels that the US economy will slowdown and the housing crisis will worsen.

He said that markets may see short-term reactions, but they will decouple from the US. He added that India's long-term bull market remains intact.

He cautioned that the US slowdown will adversely impact the Indian IT sector.

Excerpts from CNBC-TV18’s exclusive interview with Rakesh Jhunjhunwala:

Q: From morning we have heard a variety of views on subprime and what impact it could have on India and emerging markets. What’s your take on it?

A: I think the impact of the subprime crisis is going to be far worse than markets are expecting today. I do not think Fed rate cut can solve the subprime crisis; I do not think that the US housing market is going to bottom for the next 24-30 months. I think the US economy will further slow; anyway at the moment the markets are quite elated with the Fed rate cut. Let’s see what happens.

Q: You been bearish on US saying that the bull-run over there has ended. We saw how this bubble has burst, the whole housing market is gone into a slump, and US stocks are down. What is your take on it?

A: The US market has not slumped; the Dow is nearly at a new high. The markets are perceiving that this problem will be surmounted, just like all other problems.

Q: You expect more Fed cuts to keep fueling the markets going forward?

A: I do not know what kind of Fed cuts will happen, because inflation also has to be looked at. But I do not think the Fed rate cuts can solve this problem.

Q: Our Indian markets, or almost all emerging markets are clued on to what is happening over there (US). Because of that, we are seeing heavy volatility coming into the markets. If you take a look at the past three days also, there has been heavy volatility?

A: I would disagree. About two-two and half years ago, the Sensex first crossed the Dow and today the Sensex is at least 20% higher than the Dow, in numerical terms. So you may have day-to-day reactions, but over a period of time you will decouple.

Q: From a longish point of view, what is your take on the bull run in India?

A: I think the longer-term bull market in India is very much alive.

The factors driving the bull market are alive and kicking and will be present in India for a very long time to come. Having risen from 3,000 to 18,000, we can always be prepared for corrections or some fall. Markets may not even go up for maybe another year. But I do not think the bull market is dead. We had a rise from 3,000 to 18,000 and if we consolidate and do not go up for a year or two, I do not think it’s going to make any difference to the long-term bull market.

Q: Do you think we are going to consolidate from now on and then only progress further?

A: I do not know whether we will consolidate. But even if we were to consolidate and not go up much or go down a little, the longer-term bull market will still be alive.

Q: We heard Chris Wood say in the morning that the Sensex target, the long-term CLSA target, is 40,000. What is your take on that?

A: I can only have some idea of the directions; I have no targets.

Q: You been bearish on Indian IT for quite sometime now. What could happen to the US economy? When we talked to the tech companies, they say fundamentals have not changed, rupee is the only problem. What is your take on that?

A: Fundamentals today might not have changed. But if there is a big slowdown in the US economy, which I personally anticipate, then I think software will also come under pressure.

Earlier, we had all tailwinds for the software industry and in my opinion we have headwinds now. I do not say that software companies are going to go down. Although volume may or may not get affected, margins will be affected and therefore price earnings ratios can be affected.

Q: Midcaps have been very tepid over the past one-month. Is it just like in the middle of the storm? How do you see them bounce back?

A: I disagree. Midcaps are doing exceedingly well. I think 50% of all listed stocks have made new highs. So I do not agree that they have been tepid.

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